She appears on multiple sites...scam??

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She appears on multiple sites...scam??

Post by Maxepr » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:04 pm

Hello All,

A Ukrainian woman I saw at rosebrides.com is also listed on a few other sites.
Is this a red flag for a potential scam?

I'm not sure if it's common for ladies to list on multiple sites.

Thanks
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Post by Maxepr » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:37 pm

Thanks Ben,

I'm new to this, and avoiding problems is why I'm here. I read your previous post, and I agree, a trip to the FSU would be appropriate. I've been to many countries while on the job but never to that part of the world. I'd like to have a deeper knowledge of the culture.

I'll try to post more about the woman I was talking about when I have some more time as I'm off to work now.

In the mean time I'll remember rules 1 and 2 I saw posted somwehere on this site regarding sending money to people you don't know.

Regards, Scott
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Post by Maxepr » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:03 am

Here's more info:

I was thinking about writing this person. (url below) She's attractive, feminine, has a nice smile, is not too young for this 42 year old guy (IMHO) ;^), and she doesn't display photos wearing a bikini or lingerie. (reading I've done gives me the impression that serious women are generally quite modest.)

http://www.rosebrides.com/brides/olga-13261.html

So I did a search on this site and looked in the blacklist. No results. Great.

I then did a Google search of the user name on her profile. This yields a few results. One from rosebrides.com of course and a some others. These others are the same profile but appear to be at different websites.

I'm not saying this woman is a scammer. I'm just curious, do the experienced folks at this site think this sort of thing is suspicious, or is this common?

Regards, Scott
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Post by ham » Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:47 am

I'm not saying this woman is a scammer. I'm just curious, do the experienced folks at this site think this sort of thing is suspicious, or is this common?
It IS common. After all, joining online dating means one seeks EXPOSURE.
Databases get traded beyond one's wildest beliefs...cases are known of profiles still around YEARS after the woman got married, moved on or even died!
This does NOT mean you are corresponding with a REAL person, or with the exact person depicted in the ad (it may be a 'friendly translator' running fake profiles or it may be a 'ringer' ), though.
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Post by ham » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:27 am

Sounds a bit too sugar-coated to me.

Most of them are simply looking for "normal" or "average" guys, someone decent and likeable, with family values.
Hmmm....
:roll: :?
Some may be, but 'horror stories' keep flooding both forums and media...his version reminds me of the 'official' version in the late 1990s... :lol:

In the West, we always observe prices and make judgements about "value for money". It is also not considered unusual to discuss such things in almost any situation. Although even in the West, you wouldn't want to make it too obvious that you only select things based on price, especially in a romantic situation, for the risk of appearing "cheap".

In Russia / FSU it is considered "bad manners" to talk of how "expensive" something is, or that it does not represent "value". At the start of a relationship, it can be the kiss of death.

People of the FSU do not understand that most people in the West barely see anything left of that $4000 after all the expenses of a month's living. But don't try too hard to explain the "relativeness" of earnings and expenditure between the two different countries - it won't wash. You're just trying to make excuses for your "greediness"!


Russian women like generous men.
This seems out of a 1998 MOB brochure advertising the paradise that awaits men bold enough to try...
All this 'cultural' things mean just one thing...
Ok, he says not to bother trying to put things in a perspective because FSUWs would just think you're a penny-pincher trying to look good...
What will happen when she'll land abroad and discover as a fact of life what she either couldn't/wouldn't understand or wasn't told?
That her western Romeo making n.000 a month is caught in the western debt game and lives a hectic lifestyle trying to catch up with overdue bills and other commitments? That he may have it rougher or as rough as she used to have back home? Or that improvements nowhere match her expectations?

I suggest: be COLD STONE real with exotic MOBs you approach; it doesn't mean being impolite but it means hammering the most accurate picture in their heads of what WILL be their life abroad...for example most couples NEED 2 incomes...but a freshly landed MOB may be eligible only for macjobs...
Either that or her utter contempt and delusion when she finds out that you are not the big shot SHE THOUGHT you would be...

Answer: she'll grow dissatisfied quickly, especially since he tells us FSUWs are all so attractive...see what's next Barney?
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Post by ham » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:01 pm

and if you the westerner send gifts because you think thats what a real girl would appreciate ,it may be seen as a bribe ,he may also be seen as a fool with money ,which if I understand the blog , this is a bigger cultural faux pas to a Russian girl than a guy being born ugly .


:roll: :?

So...
If you do NOT shower them with money, then you are unmanly, a penny-pincher or the like...if you DO shower them with money[ more or less relatively], you are a fool who 'just wants to BUY her'... :lol: :idea:
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Post by ham » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:52 am

Are we talking about women from Russia ? or the blog ?
I am talking in general terms, but there are a few arguments that incessantly recur in MOB-dating debates...the one about giving women money is the most important I think...
It makes you wonder who these guys are that can't spot a leech but they do exist and their stories do end up in print
The reason why I am here is that a very long time ago I was one of those idiots who couldn't spot a leech...
That is why I suggest to NEVER GIVE MONEY TO ANYONE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE .
There is just no way to know...how do you know if or how does a complete stranger 1000,2000,10.000 km far away need money?
How do you know her aunt really needs a new liver, or that she's spending money for English lessons on English lessons, etc?

The answer is: you can't; you have to trust them, and that's when trouble begins, for even if you visit they can easily stage a comedy to fool you, because you won't be around much.

A stupid example that has been reported...
A girl meets a man...after the interview she asks for money for a cab drive home, or better the man insists she take it. Being a chivalron, the man will most likely give her much more money than the actual cab bill...
She gratefully accepts and may meet him again or may not.
She has met two (three...four...) other men that day, who all give her money for a cab ride home...probably in western currency.
Instead, she takes the subway or the bus...or if he wants to see her IN the cab, orders the driver to stop around the next corner and takes the bus...
See where we're going?
Of course the best approach is to ascertain how much a cab drive to her destination might actually cost, and to give her little to no overhead, but how would a man landed three days earlier from Wallawalla know? He just wants to make a good impression.

it seems he's a winner in lottery of losers ....what more can he do other that write about it ?
For all I have to loose I hope he stays a winner, but I have seen many who screamed themselves hoarse to that effect, and met their unpleasant fate later on...of course anyone can...it's about human beings...that's why I objected to the pastel-colored approach to start with.[/b]
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Post by ham » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:54 pm

the lack of knowledge to the lengths of deception a Russian or Ukraine romance scammer will go to get money .
Come think of it, very few scams or swindles are that smart, if any at all.
I have no problem recognizing that -when I was scammed- I was in poor psychological shape and wanted desperately to believe in something, yet in hindsight 'red flags' were all over the place.
One 'internet winner' who had relished his 'success with a 10 from the FSU' and had repeatedly proclaimed it, got recently taken to the cleaners by his '10 from the FSU'...
He's just one among many and -in hindsight- he -much like others- now claims he ought to have "seen it coming"...
Weird...
He (and others like him) used to label as "envious losers" those who'd say earlier what they now whisper with teary eyes...
It's not that conpeople are smart...victims are desperate enough to believe them.
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Post by ham » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:48 pm

It is fair to say that a persons state of mind is a small part of the whole I think desperate is a bit strong a word, Russians are desperate people these days ,scams that target the emotion could be seen as a reflection of a side of a culture which is in decline for all but a few . A history of cruelty handed down by successive regimes , seeing the rest of the world through the eyes with envy and contempt against US and the West which is backed by political blame ,set that against a backdrop of corruption and the lengths of deception a Russian or Ukraine romance scammer will go to get money becomes clearer .

I said victims must be desperate to believe the nonsense scammers tell them. The scammer may very well be a fat guy named Oleg who's pushing buttons on a 'conversation software suite' while picking his nose...he's not desperate...he's 'at work'.


would imagine an exchange of mail that can go on for six months and yet still be a scam

Some scammers 'personalize' their correspondence, but most use bulk, canned paragraphs and perhaps software to assemble them...in minutes they can carry on multiple conversations. To the unsuspecting victim it seems an eternity; for them it is just pressing hotkeys and perhaps adding a couple lines.

I feel that scams will get worse before they get better until the peripheries are addressed.

I suppose that the golden age of MOB-scams and other WWW scams is long gone, due to increasing awareness and the internet. Of course there always is someone eager to help some unscrupulous banker from Congo in the appropriation of eleventeen millions that a deceased oil kingpin left behind when he died in the Twin Towers...or whatever hogwash they spin this time... or someone who's 59yo and looks like Danny de Vito (without money) but believes this 21yo porn star is in love with him...that's human nature. Hell, he may even be a decent average man ignoring she has a real-life boyfriend, doesn't intend to relocated and never has.

The internet is not the promised land for dating...it's just another territory and every territory comes with risks.
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Post by ham » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:23 pm

People don't send money to love scammers because they are desperate ,they send it because they don't know about the scam .

I still maintain that people are DESPERATE in the first place. When I was scammed in 1999, awareness was still in its infancy. Websites were most populated by agency owners and their cronies posting under multiple aliases to chant the merits of FSUWs and to sell average Joe dreams about mating with porn stars half his age, yet expecting 1950s family values.
I had no idea what a MOB-scam was.
Sure, I knew people can lie and had some experience with online western dating and the like (personals, chat programs, dating websites )...which I left behind because i was fed of pretenders, benders, liars, players, frauds and mental cases.

So the fact that I wasn't aware of scam patterns is just one part of the explanation WHY I wired money to a stranger I had never met.
Sure, I ignored that online FSUWs were plagued by earthquakes, ice ages, needs for liver, lung, gallbladder transplants, grannies dying like fleas and threatened of gang rape by Turkish gangsters...I ignored those were fairy tales spun to milk suckers dry.


HOWEVER


It happens to everybody to be approached by beggars, scum acquaintances, cold callers, snake oil vendors trying to raise quick money; I have never been their victim, and the stratagem is the same: pleading to your conscience using either greed or pity/empathy as drive.


I am not afraid to admit what made me fall off guard was that: 1. the person was real (I had her checked by locals ) and 2. I was in poor psychological shape, so I was willing to overlook red flags and to explain inconsistencies away: she was barely 4 or 5 years younger and no beauty queen, either.
Of course some may say that Ham is a loser who couldn't get a date if his life depended on it and so forth...true, I have never been popular among women (if gold credit cards stay in the pocket, that is ) and I know I never will: admitting a problem is a bold step towards overcoming it.
I am an average person with some interests, none of which appeals to women...because in the end either one got great looks or he has to get great money...or failing that be the paroled thug that oozes machismo.
Barney, Leroy, Pedro, Wong and Farooq may claim online that they have models begging for a date; that they are studs who acted in porn movies and now make seven figures as nuclear surgeons, that they are witty and without a perfect psychological profile...
:roll: :?
and that they happened to be washed ashore the MOB island by sheer chance, because they have no problems soever with women and the "real loser" it's always the other guy. :lol:
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Post by ham » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:28 pm

Self esteem is a strange expression many people don't know they suffer from it and in real life it's less obvious in my opinion .

Hmmm...
There are countless tapes, videos and books supposed to teach wimps how to become studs and to subdue women into 'never say no', either unconsciously or through various strategies reminiscent of psychics from a travelling carnival show.
:roll: :?

New tapes, videos or books come out every week, showing how ineffective last week's or last year's tapes, videos or books actually are. :lol:
The only thing that truly 'changes' isn't Barney's success rate with women, but the bank account balance of the author.

Try to portray a midget, an average person and Hulk Hogan walking down an aisle trying to look intimidating and dangerous. The midget will be laughed at; the average person will be looked askance as if he had smoked something and Hulk Hogan WILL be intimidating: all three do the same things, walk at the same pace and grimace the same way.

So you approach this pretty woman, say hi and she tells you to f-ck off...then you come back with some funky punchline from the latest self-help tape, book or video and she changes her mind and wants to give you head... 8O :roll:

ANSWER: Hulk Hogan IS intimidating because he's about 2 meters tall and weighs 130+kg of muscle...period. The midget is 1m10 tall.

There was this girl I was interested in in middle school; she wasn't a beauty queen or anything. She couldn't care less.
The ONLY time SHE approached ME was when I won a writing contest and was proclaimed the best writer in school...so (for a while) she would come to me and ask for advice with her eyes full of admiration. Years later, when I consistently overshadowed her in some subjects, annoyance replace the very transient bouts of admiration. In short she never agreed to date me.
Did she like a dumb or intelligent guy, then?
This transient elation explains why women may want to screw some drunkard who lives in a trailer, but for example years earlier had been a figure with some status (writer, activist...).


In the end that's how I left WWW dating behind, resumed my studies and am saving money with the purpose to relocate.
Of course I may be mistaken and hallucinate about impossible things...who knows...what I know is it's much more real THIS way than chasing the wild goose trying to find my other half online.
Perhaps I am a loser...
Go ask that man who claimed online he had "invested" (his word) in excess of US$100.000 in his 'ten from the FSU' in LESS THAN THREE YEARS, then one day the woman was gone and one morning two angry cops knocked at his door with court papers...now he shall explain to some angry, overweight female feminist judge of color how what his ex-wife & her three girlfriends from the 'FSU club' claim about him being a violent and abusive person is a lie...
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Post by dioritz » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:08 pm

People don't send money to love scammers because they are desperate ,they send it because they don't know about the scam .
Ben, I do not agree with you. How is it possible to believe in big love of a model girl after just 3-4 letters? I can understand that you might be naive when you are 18, but when you are in your 30’s for example, had relationship in the past, you should understand that something is wrong here.
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Post by ham » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:28 pm

What can I say?
There is this man on another site who loved to draft my disparaging psychological profile and loved to declare how I had no clue about 'the process' and how what I said was 'inane nonsense'.
Well, this self-help guru whose personal history is rather peculiar claims to live in the FSU teaching ESL...
Fine...
Recently he posted a desperate message on the site "I am desperate and without a woman and want to die", which he hurried to edit later, not before someone quoted him.
So...?
It seems he has been fooled and/or taken to the cleaners once again...
Talk about people 'in the know'... :lol: :lol:
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Post by ham » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:02 pm

Ben wrote:The guy made a Freudian post? .. lol

@ dioritz ,40 / 50 letters is not uncommon .
Typically, those with the bigger mouths and the endless, smartest personae end up crash landing in flames.
They make the mistake to think they are Jedi knights and the dating game is their force, which they control because they are better than others.
Wrong.
Women have been fooling with men for eons...one may be smart, but he cannot be smarter than everyone at all times.
The catchier the punchlines they used to attack me, the bigger the impact crater they dig when they come back to Earth.


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