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Re: What will I need in order to work and live in the Ukrain

Post by TheTruthTeller » Sat May 19, 2012 2:48 am

Here is some information from the site known as anyworkanywhere.com: :-B

"Living And Working In Ukraine

Area: 603,628 km2 Population: 46,179,226 Capital: Kiev

Dialing Code: 380 Currency: Hryvnia (UAH) Currency Converter

Minimum Wage: 605 Ukrainian Hryven Per Month

Languages: Ukrainian

Main Industries: Coal, Electric Power, Ferrous And Nonferrous Metals, Machinery And Transport Equipment,
Chemicals, Food Processing (Especially Sugar) :-?

Government Immigration Service: Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Ukraine

Government Tax Service: Ministry Of Finance Of Ukraine

Government Employment Service: State Employment Service of Ukraine"

Here is more information from the same site:

"English teachers are needed in language schools and summer language centres in the Ukraine.

Voluntary Job Opportunities In Ukraine Include community, conservation and environmental projects, summer camps and teaching English."
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Re: What will I need in order to work and live in the Ukrain

Post by TheTruthTeller » Sat May 19, 2012 3:06 am

Here is an interesting article from the site known as accesscrimea.com: :-?

"Living in Ukraine

As more and more people from countries such as Ukraine come to live in the West, there is a very small but noticeable movement in the opposite direction. In Kiev you can find many foreigners who are living in Ukraine for a period of a few months to many years.

Foreigners living in Kiev tend to fall into the following categories; those employed my multinational companies (such as lawyers, accountants and engineers). They generally lead the good life; receiving a tax-free western wage with many expenses paid for. Secondly are the foreigners who stay in Ukraine for a few months on an extended holiday. More often than not these are men who are seeking a wife in Ukraine. Thirdly is the category of foreigners who do business in Ukraine, and live here either permanently, or for a long period of time. There is an increasing amount of such people, and they are attracted by the large amount of business opportunities in the country, and the relative lack of competition. There is a wide range of opportunities, from real estate to restauranting to tourism. This can be a very interesting and stimulating life, although by no means an easy one as there are a number of challenges inherent in doing business in Ukraine.

Outside of Kiev, with the exception of Odessa, there are few foreigners actually living in the country. It is possible to bump into western tourists however, particularly in popular spots such as Crimea, and in Internet cafes practically anywhere in the country!

Ukraine is stimulating to the senses. Whilst in Britain I find that everyday events and surroundings are a lot less colourful, and a lot more sanitized, there is a lot more life on the streets here, and things tend to be a little less predictable. The markets are bustling and full of energy, and in public places people do not just pass by, but often find time for relaxation as well. Everywhere in Ukraine you can find people relaxing on benches or simply standing on a street corner with friends, sharing a beer and enjoying the atmosphere. There is a festive air around the center of my home town Simferopol at night, and I find that a leisurely stroll down the main street offers a fascination that an evening stroll down a British high street just cant match.

The weather here is more interesting too. In Ukraine there are real seasons, and when spring comes around in April the change is very dramatic; as a long and cold winter turns into a summer that can only be dreamt about in Britain.

As well as the positives, there are also negatives inherent in living in Ukraine. Perhaps the single most difficult thing about living in Ukraine for me is the sense of isolation that I sometimes experience. If I lived in Kiev this would probably be different, but in Simferopol I am the only foreigner I know to be living here. I do have local friends and I very much enjoy interacting with them, but in Ukraine I will always be someone else and someone different, it is very difficult to amalgamate to the degree that foreigners can in immigrant filled Britain. In addition, there are many things that I cannot talk about to my local friends. For instance, I have travelled to many countries in the past, but I don’t feel comfortable talking to local friends about such things, as they’ve never had the opportunities to travel that I have.

When living in Ukraine one also has to deal with the spectre of Ukrainian service. It really can be extraordinarily bad, and as a westerner who is used to good service this can naturally wind me up. I did have a phase when it started to really annoy me, but fortunately I passed through that and the way I survive now is by (in the event of diabolical service) keeping in mind that if I don’t like it enough, I can always leave. I thing such an attitude is necessary because otherwise such little things that accumulate could make living in Ukraine very frustrating.

Working with locals – I have found this to be a challenge. I have contacted numerous people on many occasions with suggestions and ideas related to my business, which would be mutually beneficial for both of us. The initial response is usually positive, and I leave thinking that this time I’ve found someone good, but then as we begin to work it becomes obvious that he or she is not prepared to do anything on his own back, and wants only to follow me and get a piece of the action on the way. Next thing I know I hear that person complaining that they don’t have enough money; and I get exasperated. One can dredge into the history and culture of Ukraine to find reasonable explanations for all of this, but it doesn’t help the motivated foreigner to do business who wants things done now, and not in a months time! For the record, before any Ukrainians read this and get offended, I by no means refer to all the locals I come into contact with here. Some of them are very self-motivated and forward thinking, and those are the ones with whom I end up working.

The issue of finances is interesting to anybody considering living in Ukraine. The upshot is that in Ukraine overheads are small, and if you want to live a simple no-frills life, then nowhere in Europe can beat Ukraine for its cost of living. However, if you want to live in any way like you are probably used to living in the West – buying luxury food items and household goods, going out to clubs and restaurants, and generally being consumerific, then you will need not much less money than you need in the West. Whilst the average family in Simferopol gets by on about $600 a month, that’s achieved less as a result of low prices, and more as a result of the family leading a much lower standard of living than we do in the West. Some things you might take for granted, they will take as an annual treat.

One of the most interesting things for me about living in a foreign country is that I began to see things from a new and fresh point of view. This applies to a wide range of everyday mental processes; such as opinions, ideas and prejudices. As an example, Ukrainians often consider foreigners to be cheap. This I could never understand unti’d lived here long enough to fully understand their attitude to money. All these opinions and prejudices about foreign cultural quirks are formed through the filter of reality that constitutes a person’s own culture. Ukrainians get money and they spend it. They buy something expensive then tell their friends how expensive it was. Westerners get money and they save it. When we buy something cheap we often tell our friends about how cheap it was. With a background so different it is no wonder that one culture calls another cheap, when the truth is that the 2 cultures simply have widely different attitudes towards money.

Whilst on the surface, to the uninitiated Ukraine might feel and look not vastly different to what they are used to in the West (unlike, say, Bhutan or Burma). There might not be elephants walking down the main street in Ukraine, but the interesting thing about living here is that it really is vastly different, but a lot of these differences are quite subtle, and it takes time to become fully aware of them. Even after years of living here I’m always learning new things that I didn’t know about concerning the people and the culture. That makes living in Ukraine fascinating. Sometimes I feel that I know the place very well, but often enough I still get a surprise as I find out something new that I had yet to see. constantly keeps me on my toes, and can never be described as boring.

I often get asked, what are the good and bad points of living in Ukraine, and would I advise it as a good place to live? My short answer to this is as follows – I like living here, but I know of foreigners who don’t. It is closely connected to your personality and what you find important in life. I would advise anyone who is considering moving to Ukraine to spend 3 or 4 months here first, to get a feel for the place beyond the typical (temporary) euphoria experienced in the first few weeks of being somewhere new.

Of-course, most people who travel to Ukraine come as tourists"
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Re: What will I need in order to work and live in the Ukrain

Post by TheTruthTeller » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:36 am

Here is some information about living in the Ukraine from the site known as escapeartist.com: :-?

The Good, the Bad and The Ugly of living in Ukraine
May 2007

In this age of lowered expectations, reduced freedoms and the specter of Big Brothers' insatiable quest for more intrusion into our daily lives, which is surely to be found among the more technologically advanced civilized Western countries, many have sought out and in some cases found various places about the world that offer considerably more freedom, privacy and less expensive lifestyles. Although living in Eastern Europe is not anywhere even close to living on the French Rivera, it does have several advantages to consider.

Here are just a few of the reasons to consider Ukraine:

1) Its a much less expensive place in which to live. Example: My wife and I live in what is considered a nice (for Ukraine) 2-room apartment and are presently paying only $150.00 per month for rent. The remaining utilities including: high-speed Internet cable access, natural gas (most often included in the rental fee), water, electricity and telephone expenses (less any international calling) typically run at between $20 to $30 per month.

2) Seldom do I/we need to spend over $400 to $500 US per month for all of our daily and monthly needs.Im able to save well over half of my pension funds in a solid, reliable and stable bank, which pays me 12.5% interest!

3) Food is plentiful and relatively cheap! Although one cannot expect the variety of foods found in the US or Western European countries, it is adequate by most anyones standards. Examples: Chicken is sold by either the piece or whole. It generally runs between 15 to 18 Grevnah per Kilo. [At the date of this writing, the US Dollar is worth 5.04 Grevnah] This equates to $3.57/Kilo or roughly $1.62 per pound.] Fruit and vegetables are even better buys, especially when in season. Carrots run around 2.50 to 3.50 Grevnah per Kilo. That equates to 50 cents per kilo or 2.2 pounds for 50 cents! Vegetables are a real bargain here and often of high quality. Theyre usually grown in very rich organic soil.

4) Local Transportation is dirt-cheap! One may travel almost anywhere within town for 1 Grevnah! Remember a Grevnah is about 1/5th of a U.S. dollar or about 20 cents. If one takes one of the methane powered older buses its only half a Grevnah or 10 cents!

5) Ukraine has far more than its share of beautiful women! If youre lucky enough to marry one with a heart of gold (such as my wife) and not a gold-digger, it will make your living in Ukraine considerably easier, but its not entirely necessary. If you are willing to purchase a home here it will be relatively easy to live here without many difficulties. I know a Canadian fellow who is not married and is living here quite satisfactorily with even less Russian language ability than my own

6) The local people look favorably (usually) upon visitors or residents from the U.S. This is not often the case in many countries throughout the world as you, dear reader, may already be aware! This is a huge benefit!

7) It is very easy to find places where one can change most currencies including: U.S. Dollars, British Pounds, Russian Rubles and, of course, Euros. A few other currencies may be exchanged here but exchange points for them are not so readily accessible. These include: Australian Dollars and Swiss Francs.

8) Bank savings interest is considerably higher here! It is very easy to find sound and firmly established banks, which pay 12.5% interest on local currency. Some offer as high as 17% but are not always as reliable. Both Raiffeisen (An Austrian Bank which does business here) and OTP (A Hungarian bank) are quite reliable and easily accessible in Ukraine.
ATMs are available in many locations all over the cities. (But you might not find one that has the English language option).

9) There are several Super Markets scattered all over the cities as well as innumerable smaller open type markets and kiosks near every neighborhood. Although the variety can be restricted, the supermarkets are usually the better places to buy consistently good products.

10) I feel safer and more secure here than in any large city in America even at night!

11) Medical care in Ukraine (for residents) is free! One needs only pay for the medications and associated materials needed to administer them. I know this is true since I had occasion to use it recently for a heart attack! The care was professional and competent even if not employing the latest technology available elsewhere! If I had this hospital stay (21 days) in America, it would no doubt have cost me $6,000 to $8,000U.S. or more. Here it cost me around $400U.S.

12) Real Estate can be purchased here (Dachias) for as little as U.S.$4000.00 to U.S.$5000.00! A Dachia is usually a place out a bit from the city in a country setting that is not usually intended for every day living. A Dachia usually has running water (typically located outside the building) and electricity. It usually has only an out-house for toilet facilities. But they can be upgraded fairly inexpensively. Most are fairly near bus-stops. Real Estate in Ukraine has experienced an unrealistic increase in perceived value within the past 5 years. An apartment, located in the city where I live, that sold for U.S.$5,000.00 5 years ago now sells for up to and in some cases above $40,000.00. A modestly appointed and minimally acceptable to most Western tastes yet still decent, low-range apartment will cost that much or more.

13) It is usually easy to find locals whod like to improve their English language abilities. So, its not difficult to find paying students for English lessons. The going rate is 20 Grevnah per hour! Or about $4.00/hour. This doesnt sound like much, but keep in mind that $4.00 goes a lot farther here than in America!

14.) Fluency in either Russian or Ukrainian is not necessary in order to manage everyday things like shopping and inter or intra city travel. I manage well enough on my own with a Russian vocabulary of only about 300 words.

P.S. There are many Laws in Ukraine! But, few of them are ever actually enforced. The local police are not particularly interested in putting people in jail as in some other countries. If a law is broken there is usually only a relatively small fine involved and one is back on one merry way with no grudges held. The police largely leave those who keep their noses clean alone! Money can buy one's way out of most situations.. In this sense it not unlike the WildWest of North America. Politically speaking, Ukraine has technically joined the U.S. in The new world order,. but in view of the fact that Ukraine is such a poor country, it will likely be quite some time before cameras will be at every intersection of the cities here owing to the fact that Ukraine simply cant afford to do so! Theres a flat 20% tax on everything! This is usually not noticed since its almost always included in the purchase price.

What to see and do in Ukraine

Western Ukraine (especially Carpathia) is mountainous and has good fishing in lakes and some streams. Snow skiing is available at very reasonable costs. No fishing licenses are required or even available. What is referred to, as Crimea by Westerners is known locally as Krim.Yalta and Sevastopol are located there. Good Trout fishing is possible in/near Sevastopol. Otherwise most of the fish here are not what most westerners would consider good game fish except pike. Locally they are known as Chukka Krim has a protecting arm of mountains looking outward to the Black Sea. It is known of as the Riviera of Ukraine! Many rich people live there. Im told the fishing is good and that the quality of life is considerably higher, cleaner and generally better than in Nikolaev where we live.

Were planning a trip there this summer with some friends from Holland.

And now for the Bad News

Im inclined to believe that Red-Tape was invented here in Ukraine. Huge amounts of formal and typically necessary paperwork must be kept and safely stored for future situation(s.) Notarization of legal documents includes the hand sewing (with red thread) of the documents that are more than one page in length. No one here in any governmental office seems in a rush to get his or her work done. They are frequently quite slow and not particularly efficient. A simple request for a residence application can take several trips to the same office and waiting for hours each time to be seen! If you dont have the patience to deal with things like these, dont consider living in Ukraine!

Ukraines infrastructure {roads, sidewalks, public toilet availability, telephone system (still uses the mechanical make/break contact type similar to that found in America in the 1940s), sewerage system and water supply} has not been improved significantly since the end of WWII. Readily available clean rest rooms are rare and frequently a huge disappointment. One smells them long before one actually sees them, especially in summer.

Some Ukrainian merchants tend to try to take advantage of Westerners, especially Americans, by changing their prices for various things once they are aware of one's nationality. Best to be aware of the possibility of this and search for the more honest traders.

The food in restaurants lacks variety and does not really tempt the palates of American especially. There are now a few non-smoking restaurants which are not all that bad. In Nikolaev there are three where we eat: Celentano and Sport Restaurant near Stadion and Straus inside Mega Market. All of these are located on Prospect Lenina in Nikolaev and easily found. Kiev, the capital has a new Ukraine Building near the train station that has a good variety of styles of food and it too is totally non-smoking!

Characterwise, many Ukrainians have a different view of ethics and will seldom admit to making a mistake - I feel sure this is something to do with having lived for decades under a strict communist regime, but it is a difficult trait to get used to. Work should always be supervised and it is unwise to pay upfront as the temptation to just disappear with the loot is too great.

Decent quality clothing and shoes are really rather expensive here and the variety is severely limited. This is slowly changing.

Now last but not least The Ugly!

Ukraine is, for the most part, a dismal and somewhat at first glance depressing place visually, owing largely to the ubiquitous gray apartment buildings in which most people here live. Lack of investment in the cities leads to broken pavements and overflowing rubbish bins and there is a lack of variety in the shops; but this is just a difference in lifestyle due to may years of past economic decline.

In summary:

If you can handle the negatives, Ukraine still has a lot to offer. I prefer to live here than in the states mostly due to the general sense of Freedom and economic and political advantages. Remember I feel safer here than in any large U.S. city late at night! Its surely something to keep in mind!"
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